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The Rise of the Bee Bandits (noemamag.com)
42 points by jger15 10 days ago | hide | past | favorite | 37 comments





Farmers have carpeted huge swathes of prime Central Valley land with serried ranks of almond trees. The annual budding of this sought-after nut and its burgeoning pollination needs means up to roughly nine out of every 10 commercial honeybee hives must be sent here from all corners of the U.S.

In addition to points made by others here, I wonder also about our general drop in bees and other insects.

I am astonished this one crop hogs so many resources and I don't know how to feel about it. I like almonds and would like to someday learn to make homemade marzipan like my mother made when I was a child (sweetened almond paste, basically).

Almonds get vilified for their water use in California and, meanwhile, people are also hating on the meat industry and promoting veganism. It seems to me nuts are an important part of a vegetarian diet and should be even more important to a vegan diet.

I have a lot of half formed questions but no real answers, questions that have rattled around my brain for some time without ever quite gelling.


I'm vegan and have given up almonds because I'm prone to kidney stones, and I was told that almonds have a much higher oxalate content than other nuts. Not everyone has a tendency to form kidney stones, but in my case it seems like I started to suffer from them right around the time that grocery stores and cafés started to switch from soy milk to almond milk, so I think that may have been the biggest problem. (I haven't had any more stones so far since switching to oat milk and starting to take citrate pills every day.)

I still eat a fair amount of nuts, often peanuts, which are lower in oxalate. I appreciate cashew (and coconut!) as an alternative to almonds that are still high in fat, like for making ice cream out of. I think one reason almonds and almond milk have been so popular is their pleasantly high fat content.

I don't have any particular intuition for how much water these other nuts take to produce.


Peanuts are a legume, not a nut.

Coconuts are a drupe, which I had to look up and didn't know.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coconut

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drupe


Funny, I went out on hive maintenance round with a local beekeeper here in the Netherlands, and he was telling me about bee thefts. Not even whole hives, he’s had other beekeepers go in and steal just the queens, effectively killing the hive in the process.

Taking the queen doesn't kill the hive, not if they have enough 1- or 2-day eggs that the bees can make new queens out of. But it does happen that there aren't enough sometimes, so taking the queen can kill the hive.

For example, I did a split about twelve days ago, and the new hive started making queens. Now this was a very aggressive hive, so we wanted to re-queen it, so about eight days in we went back and destroyed every emergency queen cell, then two days later we went back and gave them a new queen that we purchased -- one bred specifically for mite resistance and which is not africanized. If we hadn't done this then that hive would be about to get a new queen naturally (and that queen would then kill all the other about-to-hatch queens).

Though, even if they make a new queen, there will be a brood break. A brood break is a time period during which no new eggs are laid. Here it would be about three weeks, and maybe a few more days. It takes time for the new queen to hatch, get mated, and start laying. If this happens at the height of a honey flow then the hive will be made much weaker because the workers live just six weeks in that time of the year. Beekeepers tend to force a short brood break in the fall to forestall the mites, but this is a bit much.

I don't have enough experience to say for sure, but I would expect that stealing queens will typically cause loss of maybe 50% of hives -- more or less depending on the time of the year. Also, if the beekeeper inspects hives weekly (a big if, especially if the beek has thousands of hives) they will notice that the hive is queenless and will probably re-queen it sooner than the time it takes the hive to make a new queen, thus reducing the loss rate. Commercial queens are about $45, but they're not available year-round. A commercial beekeeper might even raise their own queens for themselves, so they might have better availability. So hive loss rate might be lower, though still, it's not cheap, and it's labor intensive to inspect every hive weekly.


Thanks for the detailed explanation!

Though, thinking more about it, stealing queens seems... unlikely. It takes a lot of work to find a queen! Even if she's marked you still have to open the hive and pull out and examine some number of frames. If it's a big hive (say, "two deeps" and several "supers", that could be fifteen minutes if you're very good at it, or an hour if you're not. And you'd be very vulnerable to getting caught while doing it. If the queen is not marked then it takes that much more skill to find her, and you might have to look at every frame. So queen theft gangs seem unlikely to me.

It was a marked queen in a small hive, this happened at a (shared, membership based) bee park where the keeper keeps hives for breeding, not production. There’s some longer backstory to why the queen was targeted that I probably shouldn’t post, but otherwise that’s what I was told. I’m not a beekeeper, just someone who signs up to help with too many things, so your barometer will be a lot more accurate than mine!

Oh, now that makes sense. Yes, there are beekeepers who produce lots of queens for sale. The process for doing that involves first grafting a bunch of 1-day eggs into little cups that are placed in queen-less nukes so that the nurse bees there will feed those eggs royal jelly. Then when the queens get close to hatching each of them gets placed into a finishing nuke (since otherwise the first to hatch will kill the others).

Beekeepers who produce queens for sale breed them for various attributes, such as mite resistance, gentleness, and productivity (of honey). The queens that they use for the first stage (for making the eggs that will be grafted) are quite valuable. Though it's still not worth stealing unless you can set up a similar operation, which means there wouldn't be very many suspects.

(There are also beekeepers who artificially mate queens to better control for male genetics. That is a very labor-intensive process, and those queens are correspondingly more expensive, but the main queens probably aren't any more valuable than in the process I described above.)


The victims and police are looking for tire tracks.

Seems it'd be worthwhile for the beekeepers to invest in a bunch of game cameras and set them up every time they setup their hives unattended. They could at least get some faces, vehicle images, and possibly license tags, which would be a big head start in tracking the thieves. Mobile-connected cameras would be even better. IDK how dense license plate readers are in the Central Valley, but if there are even a few, they could likely catch perps within hours, even yellow-handed.

Seems crazy to not apply at least a bit of technology when you are leaving valuable animals worth $five to $seven figures by the side of a field.


You could place an airtag in some of your hives. Cheaper than a new queen.

I'm guessing the bees are just going in circles, steal from person A and sell to person B. Now person A needs bees, so steal from person C and sell to Person A, and it keeps going like that. The smaller and poorer beeks won't be able to afford to buy back their bees (or replacement bees), which will ultimately consolidate all the bees among a few wealthier groups. Once most bees are controlled by a few people/groups, they'll fund the infrastructure needed to keep the bees more secure.

Reminds me of an Italo Calvino short story.

The biggest problem I have with this is a question this article is not asking - do we need to devote so many resources to growing almonds? The water usage alone is a little ridiculous in a state that has droughts that almost certainly will get worse over time. 17% of the total agricultural water allocation in CA (which is a buttload of water) goes to growing almonds.

It's completely irresponsible and ignorant of long term consequences. Private almond farms (among other crops) are allowed to egregiously consume insane quantities of finite resources, resulting in huge disparity in the benefits from those resources that should be a common good. Politicians get funded by wealthy farmers, and farmers get wealthier by funding politicians.

In addition to almond farms, there are all sorts of alfalfa and feed crops produced with a high water weight that get shipped overseas or to other states. Whatever mechanisms most states have in play to manage their water resources are completely inadequate, and they should probably be overhauled. The only reason almonds and other water intensive crops are grown is because there's an exploitable difference in the valuation of the product and the cost of one or more resources required for production.

The problem can be regulated and rectified, but the people with money have a big advantage.


"The problem can be regulated and rectified,"

What exactly is the problem and how can it be rectified? Sure, we could make farmers pay actual costs and eliminate subsidies. We will also massively cut production because local farm can't compete with overseas crop prices. It's also possible the rich countries buyout crops from the poor and create famines or the breakdown of free trade (or we abandon the US version of free trade and tax imports to match domestic prices).


> What exactly is the problem and how can it be rectified?

California has a smaller water budget than before. Use has to be cut from somewhere, and to date, those cuts have been disproportionately borne by the 10% that goes to urban users.

There should be a fixed amount of water every farm and household gets for free, and after that, a market rate for it. (This is complicated by the history of Western water rights.)

> will also massively cut production because local farm can't compete with overseas crop prices

The world doesn't have that much arable land [1]. America has most of it (and somewhat uniquley, a growing share), and moreover, it's bang next to the world's largest consumers. Those are difficult built-in advantages to fuck up. (I'm not even counting the various federal agricultural subisides and trade protections.)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arable_land


"I'm not even counting the various federal agricultural subisides and trade protections."

This was the main part I was talking about. The only way most farms get by is due to subsidies. There aren't many trade protections that I'm aware of. For example, honey is completely undercut by overseas sources, organic labeling is based on the production site regulations which can be less strict than domestically, we can't export most pork due to ratraphine use, etc.

Remove the protections and rhe industry collapses. This is the odd man out when it comes to politics as it's something supported by both sides. Cost of living is too high in the US to be able to export to many nations. The major consumers would look to the cheaper nations before us, leading to strict export controls, further supporting price increases. We saw a bit about this with the wheat export restrictions and famine fears in some countries.

The water allocations should be fixed. It's possible that eliminating crops not suitable for the area could be another fix (rice and almonds) without having to dive too much into the allocation side.


Not a lot of subsidies. Certainly just rhetoric to talk about 'most farms'.

Despite the rhetoric of "preserving the family farm," the vast majority of farmers do not benefit from federal farm subsidy programs and most of the subsidies go to the largest and most financially secure farm operations.

Small operators can participate in crop insurance. But they pay for that, just like you and me.


You do realize crop insurance is actually subsidized by the Feds right? Yes, individuals still pay, but the feds cover a portion of the premiums. Commodity market price controls are a form of subsidization.

Yes a lot of the money goes to the biggest farms. There are some programs specifically for smaller operations too. There are also state level grants, programs, and subsidies in most states. There are even programs for distressed loans.


So is most insurance, subsidized. A big disaster, federal assistance comes out - FEMA etc. Billions. The better part of a trillion in the last decade.

The existence of small programs is true. But negligible in big picture - one or two pennies from the pocket of the consumer annually.


Generally, FEMA is not an insurance program, one does not pay premiums through them, and the uses of the money are restrictive compared to regular insurance.

"one or two pennies from the pocket of the consumer annually."

Small producers take about 10% of commodity crop subsidies (not counting other types), which is about $1B per year. So no, not pennies per person. A better measure would be on a per acre basis.


Failure of insurance to span pervasive damage results in federal assistance in the form of FEMA loans etc. Three or four hundred billions of dollars in the last ten years. I used them as an example of how normal insurance doesn't cover disaster, and it costs us all dearly.

I had the small producer at 1%. I'll have to look again.


The numbers vary depending on the accounting. Most of the articles are focusing on a single aspect, commodity crop pricing, crop insurance, or even state-level programs. Then it depends on what size you're drawing the line for small vs large (is it even acreage based or are they using revenue, etc).

At least in my experience, a lot of small farms are taking advantage of state-level programs, equipment grants, etc more than stuff like the CCC (which is more an indirect benefit to the small producers, but where a lot of the money goes). The equipment grants/loans can be tricky since you may only need one every decade or so, so it's not showing up in every year's reporting. For example, the dairy farm down the street recieved an environmental grant (state level I believe) for manure processing equiptment and lagoon. They are a medium sized operation - family run, under 200 acres, under 200 cows. Without the grant they couldnt afford the equiptment and they'd be closed down. I know several small farms that take advantage of wildlife/environmental/price-control crop programs where they make more money - no need get insurance since it's not for harvest, no need for fertilizer, etc. But of course what's really making ends meet for the small farms is that someone in the family needs a "real" job for a stable base income and health benefits.


> those cuts have been disproportionately borne by the 10% that goes to urban users

This is really the core of my frustration - if you're a CA resident, and don't live in the central valley or work in the agriculture business, what possible benefit to you is supplying most of the world's supply of almonds? Water, especially in the southwest, is an increasingly scarce and valuable resource. Why would california residents want to subsidize the rest of the world's almond consumption? (Honestly I think they don't, but the political reasons behind this are complex and depressing and way off track of the subject matter of this thread)


Don't worry, your sacrifice means the politicians funded by the farmers continue to get elected. All you need to do is elect different politicians that will enact regulation that sensibly and responsibly manage the water, reducing the profit made by almond farmers and their campaign donations.

I'm sure they pay taxes that fund something or other they can point to as somehow being a net benefit to "the economy" or some high level abstraction. The politics should be simple - California's got a whole lot of cities and population in places where a reliable and predictable source of clean water is a matter of life and death, and it should be a trivial calculation of necessity. What is needed by those places, minus a sensible and responsible buffer, is set aside, calculated dispassionately and without regard to almond farmers or any other interests. Once those calculations are made, offer fair allowances of water from what remains. If some years there are no allowances, then maybe you shouldn't run an almond farm in California. People should win out over corporations almost every time.

The trouble with these issues is that yes, they are complex, and that it's somehow acceptable for politicians to use the complexity to fog up the narratives and we give them the latitude to make bass ackwards decisions like favoring the almond farmers. Deny them the complexity and insist on the simple solution - people first, corporations can figure their shit out with whatever's left, and no more.


> All you need to do is elect different politicians that will enact regulation that sensibly and responsibly manage the water

all of what you wrote is well said, I just think in the current california political climate (which is a little strange and different from the rest of the country, and not at all what people outside california imagine it is) what you said is essentially impossible as long as politicians are for hire by corporations. Anyone lobbying for this has no chance to get in a position to make any meaningful change.

The best hope for change is a proposition passing - california constitution allows basically any prop to make the ballot and they must be enacted into law if they pass. It’s one of the great things about the way CA govt works. The people can overrule through referendum essentially any law (except when the state unconstitutionally removed the secession prop) or part of the constitution. Not all places give voters that much power in how the state is run.

However, unfortunately, drought policy in CA has amnesia and every time we have a massive water year like this year everyone thinks severe drought is never going to happen again. For a state that is so seemingly climate conscious, they’re shockingly blind to the realities that climate change will bring to the state’s water supply. We won’t try to address this until it’s such a severe emergency that people are dying in the street (or even worse to them - corporations losing money! oh no!) imho.


I think you'd want a justification for subsidizing selected farmers and foreign countries imports other than, it makes the largest landowners the highest short term profit. None of it will exist long term unless global warming increases rainfall in the western US.

How to rectify? The simplest is to charge/tax farming with scarce water for export. The next is to allow metro purchase of water rights (already happening).


> 17% of the total agricultural water allocation in CA (which is a buttload of water) goes to growing almonds

To put that into perspective, that is almost twice as much water as California's cities use in total [1].

[1] https://cwc.ca.gov/-/media/CWC-Website/Files/Documents/2019/... 50% environmental, 40% agricultural, and 10% urban


Farmers will grow what's most rewarding, right now its almonds.

Unless there's rule or pricing changes, it ain't gonna stop. Near every country has the golden crop, that produces so much more money than the rest.


My understanding is that the overall move towards almonds is actually a move towards crops that are efficient in terms of dollars of income for a fixed amount of water.

Wheat exports for $250 per ton of wheat. This month almonds export at $3,783 per ton. (This is actually down quite a bit from before and is resulting in fewer almonds being grown this year.)

In other words, given that farmers have a roughly fixed allotment of water to work from, if you completely banned all almond growing from CA, farmers would just use that same water on other plants and water usage would not change at all.


You're making the assumption that the water supply is fungible, infinite, and predictable - every year we've had severe drought, they don't cut back on agriculture, they cut back on consumer's water. I also don't think the current level of consumption will be sustainable, so although I do agree they'd try to use the same amount, the net result will be less water for people who actually need/use it to live.

One thing is certain, there are a bunch of things in that production chain which are not priced correctly.

Restraint is not part of the free-market calculus. Sure, people like to tout "sustainability" but only as a means of selling yet more products. It's not profitable to fast. Well, it's not materially profitable. Until the well dries up.

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Please, this garbage pun nonsense made Reddit significantly worse and it’s such low effort content that really doesn’t need to get a foothold on HN.

Every bee you take

And every move you make

Every hive you break

Every step you take

I'll be watching you


Second best laugh of the day. The best was when I told my wife that the price of real vanilla seems to have tripled over the past several years, to which she suggested we buy a beaver.



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