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Why “OpenBSD Mastery: Filesystems” Is Not in Amazon’s Kindle Store (mwl.io)
312 points by zdw on Dec 31, 2022 | hide | past | favorite | 90 comments



I love the books that Michael W Lucas has written.

I bought physical copies of several of them (the “FreeBSD Mastery: Jails” book, “FreeBSD Mastery: Specialty Filesystems”, “FreeBSD Mastery: ZFS” and “FreeBSD Mastery: Advanced ZFS”) on FreeBSD Mall.

I finished reading the “FreeBSD Mastery: Jails” book, and am currently reading the “FreeBSD Mastery: Specialty Filesystems” book.

I also recently bought the Total Mastery eBook bundle of his from his Tilted Windmill website. It includes eBook versions of the above books that I already have in physical copies, along with a bunch of other eBooks.

In the future I might buy physical copies of more of his books. There is something special about physical books that makes them far more comfortable to read for me than to read eBooks even though I have a eBook reader with eInk. The ability to flip through a physical book, and to feel the physical dimensions of the book adds something for me that eBook readers cannot.

I also want to investigate whether it is possible to donate books to some libraries. I think as a community we could buy IT books that we particularly like, and donate them to libraries, to make them available to more people. It would be especially nice to help books about FreeBSD and OpenBSD reach more people.


Michael is indeed a gem and I am happy to hear that his writing is equally strong on the FreeBSD side of things. Absolute OpenBSD was my introduction to OpenBSD in the mid-00s and I just recently re-read the latest edition (a new one is rumoured to be in the works) now that I am looking to go back to OpenBSD. Yes, you can absolutely just go with the manuals and FAQ with the amount of Unix-like experience I have at this point, but Michael frequently notes clever tricks and confers the different mentality on things that exists in the OpenBSD community. This, in short, is priceless.

I have worked through Httpd and Relayd Mastery as well and I am eyeing up SNMP Mastery, Ed Mastery (I expect Michael to make me laugh a good few times), and SSH Mastery after I am done with OpenBSD Mastery: Filesystems and (not by Michael though) The book of PF. Keeping Michael fed seems like a great way to bring more BSD knowledge out there and hopefully keep an alternative to the now so very corporate (and much larger) Linux sphere going.


I genuinely enjoyed SNMP Mastery, much to my surprise. The Networknomicon edition treats the subject with the perfect measure of contempt.


Lucas is my favorite tech author and I plagiarize him every time a text editor discussion breaks out:

"Let me be perfectly clear: ed is the standard Unix text editor. If you don't know ed, you're not a real sysadmin."

https://shop.aer.io/mwl/p/Ed_Mastery_The_Standard_Unix_Text_...


Do you use FreeBSD regularly? Are these books useful reading for somebody who doesn't use FreeBSD?


I’ve been a longtime FreeBSD user. For a while I was even running FreeBSD on my main laptop and my main desktop. These days I run FreeBSD on servers and also on a Raspberry Pi.

If you are familiar with other Unix-like operating systems such as Linux, and you would like to use FreeBSD, then I think the FreeBSD Mastery books that I mentioned which I have physical copies of are useful also.

If you are not familiar with Unix-like systems at all then the FreeBSD Mastery books are probably not yet so useful for you.

The FreeBSD Mastery books are the most useful to someone who is already using FreeBSD in my opinion.


I have the exact opposite opinion (about the OpenBSD book). I used basic ls, dd, tar, ps, cat, etc. Did not know (still do not) Unix systems beyond configuring a basic "how to" driven webservers, DNS servers, etc.

Michael Lucas can delve into depths without making it sound too technical IMO. Sure, you can skip chapters too (ktrace in my case) and continue with the next one if it gets heavy.

His books can be read by newbies and seasoned pros alike.


> Are these books useful reading for somebody who doesn't use FreeBSD?

Yes. They'll prepare you to switch over to FreeBSD. ;P

In all seriousness, the ZFS books would be helpful if you use ZFS on Linux. The FreeBSD-specific books probably not so much. Those are the only ones I've read.


The ZFS books are pretty useful for Linux users as well. The rest I haven't read.


I have a more simpler reason for not using Amazon. They don't let you sell ebooks in PDF/EPUB formats. I don't mind Kindle for fictional books (I have KU subscription and even published a short story few years back), but for technical content I prefer PDF/EPUB.

Gumroad/Leanpub give better rates too compared to Amazon. With services like Gumroad, it is also easy to build an email list and get in touch with your existing readers to promote new products, inform them of book updates, etc.


Kindle is switching away from MOBI and to EPUB. You already can't use "Send to Kindle" with MOBI according to the news articles I found.


They take epub files from publishers, but I believe what you buy from them still gets a kindle wrapper.


Good to know. So, if you get a DRM-free book on amazon, you can download it as epub?

Also, I wonder if longer code snippets are still wrapped around or are they introducing horizontal scrollbars? (for those who read on Kindle devices, web/mobile app, etc)


You can download it in Amazon‘s format, which (for DRM-free books) converts well to ePub in Calibe.

I think at this point the difference between AZW and ePub is even mostly in the container format.


Did Amazon change their DRM so it's harder to remove? I didn't have any issues with using calibre to remove the DRM from the e-books I bought on Amazon when I backed them up.


I don't know if it works for every book or even for this one, but perhaps where applicable trying to split the book into 2 or more parts, each priced moderately below the $9.99 limit.

It would be interesting to find out if the lower price of part one increases sales enough to compensate for the lesser amount of sales of the latter parts, and if in the end the income is higher, lower, or about the same.


What's clever about that, is that it also avoids Amazon's "best price here" policy since the two half-books would be Amazon exclusives.


Until it catches on and Amazon changes their practices.


> That’s also why I’ve focused so hard on disintermediation through my Patronizers, sponsorships, and lately Kickstarter.

This is the real answer. The artificial scarcity business model is done. Patronage and crowdfunding are the only real ways for a creator to make money without having to sell copies.


Artificial scarcity model is definitely not "done", given that the author is still selling copies. The benefits (exposure) on Amazon is not worth the cost for the author.


Amazon should introduce a progressive scale similar to the ones widely used in tax bracketing. The higher rates only kick in at price points that ensure the sale of a higher priced e-book will always result in more revenue for the author, even if the general trend is to take a bigger cut of higher priced items.

(Not that I am a fan of Amazon's publishing model - it just seems they are tripping over an already solved problem.)


Maybe they intentionally want to keep books below 10 dollars?

Maybe they figured that in the end they have a lot more cheap books than a few that might be more than double because of the non-progressive scale.


For sure it’s an intentional strategy to keep books cheap. And indirectly also to prevent any competitors from selling the same books at a higher price.


They should just drop the bracketing entirely and give 70% to the authors in all cases, instead of the continued predatory gouging you’re suggesting.


It is neither predatory nor gouging, with TFA serving as perfect evidence. No one is compelled to agree to these terms.


When you own such a large portion of the ebook sales market, it very much could be considered predatory (bordering on monopolistic).

Larger authors are not compelled to agree to these terms sure, but if you’re a smaller publisher or author trying to get your work out there and noticed, it can be hard to gain ground without selling via Amazon.


As a "smaller author" who used Leanpub (not affiliated with them, just a satisfied customer – both reader and writer) to publish my Emacs Lisp book I can say that I don't care about putting it on Amazon, and I don't think I lost a lot (or anything) because of that.

OTOH, I published this book after about 7 years of weekly blogging, mostly about Emacs, so I think that everyone who might be interested in my book could easily know about it. And an intermediate Elisp textbook is rather a niche thing.


your niche is exactly the reason why you can get away without using Amazon.


Isn't that a great reason to not publish on Amazon?, you'd only increase their market share.

It's not as if Amazon is unaware, they'll fix their pricing system if enough people reject it.


Well, yes, it’s a great reason not to publish there, but only if you can afford not to do so. Amazon dominates the e-book market.


HN loves monopolies except when it's fashionable to hate them :)


Does anybody know why royalty is like this and not the other way around? Their handling and cost seems constant, why charge bigger percentage if the book is more expensive?

Only thing that comes to mind is wanting to keep all ebook prices below $10, but that doesn't make much sense.

Btw, if author is around here, "About Me" -> "Support An Author" link is dead.


They force books in the 3-10 price bracket to artificially keep the eBooks cheap. Authors in the KDP program will lose money if they charge between ~10 and ~20. It doesn't matter if as an author you have a book that should be priced above 10, you're pushed into charging a lower amount.

This ends up benefiting low-effort books because the ROI on them ends up higher than more complex projects that would require charging more per unit.

Selling books is a tricky business and Amazon is helping itself more than it is helping the ecosystem. If you can choose, go to a different vendor for books, preferably buy direct from the authors.

My own personal choice is first attempting to buy direct and my second option is Kobo which has a better royalty breakdown and is curated by real humans, as in as an author you can reach real people to talk at Kobo and help you out.


I'll be honest, kindle + 1-click is just too handy to me. I like my kindle, I've seen some other readers and they don't seem to match it. The differences seem subtle, I don't know where the magic sauce is.

I try to make up for it with occasional donations which also seem like a nice feedback loop. It's astounding how well researched and packed with information some books are compared to others which I would also rate as good books.


IIRC the royalty rates for books under $2.99 are also severely reduced. It seems like a pretty clear tactic to try to keep ebook prices in the $3-10 range.

Not sure why you don’t think that makes sense? If they’ve done the research and figured out that’s how they sell the most books, it makes sense to push prices into that range


> Only thing that comes to mind is wanting to keep all ebook prices below $10, but that doesn't make much sense.

For me (perhaps because I grew up with physical books) the perceived value of an e-book is much lower. The same way I would buy a daily newspaper on the way to work, but have never paid for a newspaper website. Or that I would routinely pay for a vinyl record album but have never paid for online music.

Something about the nature of electronic media reduces its perceived value compared to physical. Physical media I can hold. I can feel its weight. It is something real. There is a sense that I "own" it and that it cannot be taken away arbitrarily, or suddenly become unusable due to a technical fault or technological obsolesence.

I have an e-book reader but haven't bought any e-books over about $5.00. For anything asking $10 or more I still prefer physical copies.


It's rare to get the 70% royalty, even if a Kindle book is priced under $9.99.

TFA's linked Amazon resource page notes "UK Delivery Costs" are £0.10/MB (it's $0.15/MB in the U.S.), so if a Kindle book has 5 MB of images - not unreasonable for a nonfiction or technical book - that's $0.75 deducted from the royalty, regardless of whether book is priced $2.99 or $9.99.

The idea that Amazon is still charging a "delivery cost" for data as if it's a 2007-era Kindle running on a built in 3G connection is ludicrous. Almost all Kindles use Wi-Fi now. There is no real cost to delivering the ebook data; Amazon never retired the "delivery fee" because it's pure profit on the backs of authors and publishers.

Speaking of publishers: If an author is working through a publisher, the royalty cut will be eroded further. Is your publisher using a distributor for the physical copies, to get into bookstores? Distributors typically take a cut of ebook sales as well, even though they add no value for ebook delivery or placement on Amazon.

Finally, when Apple was lauded for cutting the rate charged to indie developers for app store sales from 30% to 15% in 2020, indie publishers asked for a similar break from Apple for titles sold in Apple Books (formerly iBooks):

"While applauding Apple’s decision to grant a bigger share of its revenue to independent software developers, the Independent Book Publishers Association (IBPA), representing more than 3,600 independent publishing companies nationwide, calls on the company to extend the same benefits to authors, publishers, and other small businesses using Apple Books for Authors and other ebook publishing programs."

Apple did nothing. The company still takes 30% for any book sold on its platform.

Source: https://www.ibpa-online.org/news/541675/IBPA-Calls-on-Apple-...


Wow, that is absolutely fucked. The only way that those delivery costs can actually be costs is if Amazon is delivering every book they sell via satellite. AWS egress fees aren't even this fucked!

Text with a handful of images in it is literally the cheapest thing you can distribute over the Internet. It's the reason why self-hosting a blog or Mastodon instance is even financially viable for most tech-savvy people, and why you have a Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, WeChat, WhatsApp, LINE, Reddit, and Telegram for every YouTube.


Now apply this to the plethora of medical information in the public domain, monopolized by a service that used to have to ship encyclopedic volumes of books to doctors' offices on a yearly basis, now easily downloaded over a weekend.

Be careful though, too much thinking or acting on this subject might get you suicided by the FBI.

R.I.P. Aaron Shwartz


I have a very niche, non-technical book in both print and kindle formats. It is Kindle priced at $9.99 and I am paid $6.70 royalties per copy sold. This calendar year 37.4% of sales were Kindle. Lifetime, about 23% are Kindle.

Print charges at Lightning Source have gone up considerably the past two years. In addition, they forced publishers to pay a minimum 30% wholesale discount this past year. Previously, I only paid 26% (most of which I am sure goes to Amazon or other online retailer). I try to keep the print cost to no more than 35% of the list, leaving me 35%. As bricks n mortar stores want a 50% discount at a minimum and also require acceptance of returns, I have never tried that route.


> The idea that Amazon is still charging a "delivery cost" for data as if it's a 2007-era Kindle running on a built in 3G connection is ludicrous. Almost all Kindles use Wi-Fi now. There is no real cost to delivering the ebook data

???

It's not charging the author for the cost incurred to the user, but for the cost incurred to Amazon. It doesn't matter if you have a 10 TBPS per second or are on your phone on edge, Amazon still has to serve the same amount of data to the customer.

$0.15 per MB is huge, I'm not going to deny that, but it's pretty clear it is also a measure to prevent abuse by the authors.


But shouldn't that be covered by the 30% haircut they're also taking? Do Apple or Steam charge developers additionally for bundle size?


I'm saying that it is NOT because of the ongoing bandwidth cost, but rather as a deterrent to fraud.


That's not what they were charging the fee for. They were charging the fee to cover each Kindle having an active SIM, which is a fixed cost regardless of the book price. They don't, for example, separately charge a store entry for the cost of delivering the high quality product images; random garbage like that is what their cut is for because it generally scales with the quality of the product.


That doesn't make sense, why would the price be dependent on the size then?


I try to buy books from physical book stores. Often it takes a few days before it gets delivered. Michael W Lucas has a great book about OpenBsd Jails, worth the read.


Can you buy eBooks there? I don’t like physical books, I never have them with me, the use up space, I can’t find them, they are bad for the environment, …


This is actually something I‘d really like to be able to do: Discover a book in a physical bookstore, then scan a QR code or similar, and the bookstore gets a fair share of the sales price.


> has a great book about OpenBsd Jails

FreeBSD Jails*. OpenBSD does pledge/unveil in lieu of jails AFAIK.


good for him. it never ceases to amaze me how much privacy and freedom people are willing to forgo for sake of convenience


Wow I knew it was bad, but I had no idea it was this bad. On a side note one of worst things(but not the only bad thing) about the Kindle Scribe is the fact that you can't easily load ebooks from other vendors on it, making note taking a hassle.

I wonder how much of the ebook sales happen through the kindle store in the west. China and other places clearly have their own stores that seem to sell larger volumes.

It's somewhat interesting that you cannot really buy ebooks from amazon.co.jp outside the country either.


I have a first generation Kindle Paperwhite (it still works fine). I just connect it to the PC via USB and press on „send to device“ in Calibre. It does some automatic conversions. It is even possible to download eBooks from the Kindle and convert them to epub. You need a plug-in for that, but that’s not legal in every country, because it removes the DRM.


Does the scribe not support the @kindle.com send document facility? Not that I trust Amazon to keep that around


You can't plug it into your computer and drag files onto it?


You can drag-drop books in Kindle Format as Kindle doesn't support EPUB natively. But notetaking require conversion to KFX, which is not a trivial format to convert to without sending it via Amazon Server.

(I actually don't know if side-loaded KFX actually support notetaking on the Scribe)


Calibre can handle KFX conversion, though it requires a plugin and Kindle Previewer from Amazon (https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/help/topic/G202131170).

At least then it doesn't require uploading to Amazon's servers.


That is what I meant by non trivial.


Kindle is switching to epub. For example send-to-kindle no longer takes mobi, only epub.


As a source format for their delivery platform, yes.

So far, I haven't seen any evidence that the readers or apps will be getting native ePub capabilities.

Even then, ePubs sent to your own account still are treated as second-class books. Most importantly, they are not rendered in the "enhanced typesetting" engine, while Amazon-bought books (often likely from the same source ePub) do get that.

It's really hard to interpret this as anything other than making it intentionally hard/annoying to import DRM-free purchases from third-party bookstores.


Epub sent to your account does have enhanced typesetting on the Scribe.


Interesting, on my Paperwhite (latest model) and in all of the apps I get legacy typesetting only, even for newly mailed ePubs.


One thing to note is that if you're not on Amazon, your book will still be on Amazon. Cory Doctorow points out[0] that their copyright detection systems only detect reuploads of on-platform books, and people scamming Audible with duplicates of books are rampant. I suspect this is part of why there isn't a huge contingent of angry authors jumping ship, because they can't reliably deny Amazon their work anyway.

You're supposed to be able to just tell platforms "no, take this down". That comes from DMCA 512, that thing that indie creators absolutely hate because its far more useful as a censorship tool than for copyright enforcement[1]. If someone else reuploads your book to Amazon you have to actually find that reupload, buy it to validate that it is your work, take it down (and dox yourself in the process), and then repeat, forever.

Outright infringement isn't the only scam either - ghostwriting and reselling lightly-edited GPT-3 copy[2] is also rampant on the platform, and there's even people selling courses on how to resell fake books[3]. This may eventually destroy Amazon's brand reputation, but it takes a long time to fall down the Trust Thermocline[4] when you're a giant like Amazon.

The $10 royalty punishment makes absolutely no sense to me and I do not understand what the hell Amazon's motive is there. Except perhaps to bluff-charge indie writers into devaluing their work ahead of time. It reminds me of how Apple pushed for $0.99 songs for so long that the RIAA was willing to go DRM-free just to be able to charge more for popular singles. Except Amazon is also really, really pro-DRM, and so is the rest of the traditional publishing industry, which is running the same grift Amazon is at a different stage of production.

[0] https://doctorow.medium.com/why-none-of-my-books-are-availab...

https://pluralistic.net/2022/09/07/audible-exclusive/#audibl...

[1] If the particular indie creator in question is making fanart, then the latter feels like the former, even though the law sides against fan artists.

[2] Which is just infringement with extra steps, assuming that GPT-3 was trained on your original work and is regurgitating it

[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biYciU1uiUw

[4] https://twitter.com/garius/status/1588115317862981632


Can't the piracy issue be solved by listing your book on Amazon for an exorbitant price?


Most-favored nation clauses prohibit that. Amazon either sells your book for the best price or not at all.


I should make a ebook. I'm currently getting 5% from my publisher.


Are Kindles / Kindle store that much of a moat anymore? Because now everyone has a good smartphone and can read on that using whatever app. For a niche book I seek out I am happy to install a specific non kindle reader.


The moat isn't the hardware; the moat is the user experience and relationship.

If you want to set up your own ebook store it's actually fairly straightforward, at least technically. You just need a normal e-commerce website that sells access to PDF or EPUB files.

The problem is that most people who buy ebooks do not want their collection split across multiple platforms. This is because each platform has their own DRM and app you have to read books in. If you get a new phone and need to redownload your collection, would you rather open up 200 websites to download each author's EPUBs or one app that keeps track of everything you bought?

Yes, I know you can work around this with cloud storage. But that's extra steps; and extra steps add friction and keep people from buying.

Furthermore, this all assumes you're willing to sell your book DRM-free. If you want DRM, or your publisher demands DRM, then you need to ship a mobile app instead of a website with downloads. And that poses a new problem: Apple and Google are not going to distribute your app unless you pay them the same royalties that you'd pay as an indie author on Apple Books or Google Play Books[0]. That's their moat. So if you're trying to create an indie publishing platform, you have to either charge two royalties and screw your authors, or make users jump through hoops to buy books on a website so it appears in an app.

DRM is in fact so much of a trap for authors and publishers that some platforms just outright refuse to distribute DRM-free books; Audible is the worst offender in this regard. Locked-down platforms also trap authors; in fact, the justification that Apple uses[1] for locking down the iPhone is that users can't pirate apps if they aren't savvy enough to get developer creds. Oh, and your special locked reader app is never going to work on Kindle e-readers, because they don't support apps period.

[0] I have no clue if Google even has a bookstore, I'm just assuming this is what it would be called.

[1] To developers, not to the general public, of course


To me there are three reasons that reading on a phone is a nonstarter:

1. Screen is too small. And for everything except reading books "a large phone" is a bad. I've tried big phones. I don't like them. Other use cases either are best served with a phone-sized screen or a laptop.

2. E-ink. I could not imagine reading on non-e-ink. I'd rather buy the physical book, then, and that's a big ask. I'd really have to want to read this particular book.

3. No distractions. Notifications. "Just check my email real quick".


You are completely disregarding E-ink screens


I guess Amazon is learning from the Apple App Store.


I think Amazon should be avoided, especially for books.

I've heard about more than one author being told "Either exclusively (or by far the cheapest) on Amazon or no Amazon at all". That's a really shitty attitude and should be punished by customers.

But then there is also a bazillion other reason to avoid Amazon like the plague.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Amazon


I know an author who had one of her books removed from Amazon (both print and digital) because a coauthor on the book was banned for violating terms of service. I don't know the whole story of the violation, but it had something to do with posting content froma different work on their own website and asking for feedback.


That may be an option in the US, but in Europe Amazon is often the only option to get a technical paper book published in the US.


I am in Europe and publish my books with Lulu Press. Works smoothly and royalties are fair. Not affiliated, just a happy customer.

Some of my books are also available as ebooks, but I specifically avoid Amazon, because I dislike their DRM and their "cheap book" policy. $10 for a textbook? Come on.


My phrasing was unfortunate. I didn't mean "getting a book published...", rather "buying a book, which was published..."


Go direct to Manning or PragProg. Go directly to Apress.

Fallback on ebooks.com.

I am in Europe. Not using Amazon.


For years I thought I wasn't using Amazon, finding this website called The Book Depository that offers free shipping to where I'm from (while Amazon charges ~$60).

One day I randomly looked up who owns it. Amazon subsidiary since 2011. Amazon is mentioned zero times on the homepage, zero times on the about page, zero times in Terms & Conditions, and once in a random help article.

So I've discovered I didn't go years without Amazon as I thought I did.


What kind of world do you live in where you can get lunch for two for 10 dollars.

It's more like 40 dollars, and that's assuming it's a very cheap place.


> What kind of world do you live in where you can get lunch for two for 10 dollars.

Many places in the world would allow you to have lunch for two for ~10 USD.

> It's more like 40 dollars, and that's assuming it's a very cheap place.

You have to realize that's not representative of every place in the world or even every place within the US, right? Prices around the world are vastly different.


I think food is really expensive in Seattle (where I live) but $40 USD for lunch seems very steep to me. Unless you're ordering room service or eating at a pretty upscale place lunch shouod be less than $25.

Perhaps in Hong Kong dollars you'd spend $40 for lunch. I know some places use a dollar with much less purchasing power.


$40 for two sounds like he's eating lunch at a sit down restaurant.


The kind of life that, in 2012, most 'real people' genuinely lived. (A world quite divorced from the average HN user.)


In the US, lunch for two for $10 was totally doable from a food truck in the US until recent inflation. And a lot of people get lunch from a food truck because it's affordable, good, varied, and not fast food.

If you're claiming it's $40 for two for a "very cheap" place then you're clearly talking about a sit-down spot with full service and beverages and a 20% tip. But most people are not having lunch on a regular basis somewhere with a server who takes their order and brings their food and drinks. Food trucks and cafeterias exist for good reason.


All over south-eastern Europe for example (maybe not Greece). Probably the Baltics too. Any many more places.


In Spain if your lunch is composed of sandwitches for a quick one, in some places of south Spain you can get a lunch for two for $12.

Also, on some Chinese Woks I could get a box of rice with chicken and some vegetables+addons such as onion rings for 12-13 euros. The box is pretty big so it can be split nicely without feeling yourself half-empty afterwards.


This probably doesn't qualify for "taking my wife out to lunch".

A few years back in Lisbon I got a simple main dish for 3€ in a restaurant. That was surprisingly cheap, I guess this is not possible in Spain, also not in the cheapest regions.


Possible in Extremadura, Andalusia and the Castilles. Also, Spain has the concept of "menú del día", a complete cheap menu. That's it: a starter, a second dish and a dessert. In the South of Spain you can find cheapish prices from 6 eur to 10.


Did you miss the part where he mentioned 2012 and said it costs $18 today?


The US is the only place that exists, I guess


It's the primary place in the world that conducts transactions in US dollars, yes.




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